Programming & languages

[roy]

well for one post if you DO program or not
if you d what languages?

I <3 VC++ and VC#
g++ is ok but ill stick too Microsoft

now what about you?

[Kaihua [GoTH]]

the last stuff I worked with was Crystal Reports which is sort of a WYSIWYG (with GUI interface) SQL
I could tackle VB but I've just never had too.
But I aced my class in symbolic logic, and the other in finite math, which were the two to master back before all the universities had programmin programs (yes, I can remember when).

[roy]

well a bit of that went over my head, i'm only in 10th grade and i'm just beginning programming so...could you explain more indepth?

EDIT:
i realise what GUI is (graphix user interface)
but what is WYSIWYG?

[Toby]

I did Q basic back in school 0.0 Everything you guys said is gibberish to me lol

[Jimbo Rand [Kol]]

VB= visual basic am I right? If so you must use vb to do c++ and c#?

[roy]

yes VB=Visual Basic
VC++ is a type of C++, C# is java on steroids and is only VB

[Kaihua [GoTH]]

WYSIWYG= what you see is what you get, which means that what you make on the screen is gonna be exactly what you see when you run the program or print out the document. If you kick around with Linux or other stuff that's still in it's earlier development phases you find out that getting graphics to translate universally is a big deal (windows is an old OS now and has a lot of stuff down pretty pat)

VB=visual basic, which is essentially the old language Basic (so the coding bits are much the same) but with a kick butt GUI (graphical user interface) that actually comes pretty close to WYSIWYG after compiling the work. To be honest though VB has sort of left the old Basic in the dust by adding on libraries that make working with code for inserting sound or graphics or other common operations all really simple. It's really now just one step harder than doing some fancy formating and merging a spreadsheet with a document.

SQL= (something I forget) Query Language. And that's just learning to make the correct calls to the database for the exact information that you want. Now for some people they like writing code that does a few simple functions, but I sort of dig database structure.
Sure, java and applets are all good, I like a quick flash demo, but you want to do something that you can use more than once or twice you're gonna build a database! And that takes a certain amount of planning. And to write reports, you have to figure out if the info you want is hiding in this table, or that one, and how to sort it so that you don't get a bunch of the info you don't want (like last months sales figures when you want last weeks). Well if the program doesn't have a place where you just put in the date range and spit out exactly what you want (ok, exactly what the boss wants) they hand over a write up of what they do want and tell me to make it print out! And I roll my eyes and say but that info is in the existing report and they say but if you format it this way we will know different things. And I shut up because I like my paycheck and if they want to make me earn it, I can learn on the job!
Gosh I miss the corporate world

Class in Symbolic Logic will teach you truth tables, what the functions of and and or really mean (as regards truth tables) and what a function is even when you aren't in algebra class. If you are going to program, or have done a fair amount of programming this is a whiz bang class. But if you hated geometry you are gonna hate it, cause it's nothing but doing proofs

Class in Finite Math (they do have another name for this course but it doesn't come to mind) is a class in all the things you can learn about numbers and systems if you never allow the numbers to reach infinity. Whereas in Calculus all those functions talk about approaching infinity, finite math only talks about systems where you can count to the number of times you are gonna do something! Anyway, you learn some fun stuff like knot theory and some map stuff, but the proofs you do in that class you can immediately turn around and apply to your programming classes. If they force you to take an upper level math class take this rather than statistics... trust me on this one!

[roy]

I think I see now, TY

[Brother Jeoff [Zeus]]

I'm doing a bit of VB, but does anyone know how much harder VB.net is compared to it o.O

[Kaihua [GoTH]]

I can see if my husband uses it or not and get back to you
quick search tells me that VB .Net has been labeled simply as VB for a few years though
I'll let you puruse the following:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Basic_.NET
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

[Brother Jeoff [Zeus]]

Thx - wikipedia links definately cleared things up

[Faramyr [dusk]]

I learned programming on school using a Commodore PET 2001 with a whopping 4 KB RAM. Later I used Pascal on the MSX and after that Turbo Basic, Turbo Pascal, Delphi, VB6 and VB.Net 2003. For databases I used dBase 2, it feels like SQL.

[Kaihua [GoTH]]

DB2 rocks!

I supported products built with that as the back end for years and years
it can be solid unless you have an application that has indexing problems, and even then you can just have it reindex the database.

[alex]

i do java B)

[Lorne [dusk]]

Web programming here.
HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, PHP, MySQL.